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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Dec 29, 2011 8:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Game of Thrones

I would say these books are way too "worldly" for your normal teenager. Not only are they bloody, there's a lot of bawdy talk, sex, incest, palace intrigue, and sometimes gross detail... not to mention a mind-boggling array of hundreds of characters to keep track of. Sort of like Tolkien on steroids. If your teen has the attention span, these books are addicting, but the shortest one is about 600 pages. Very rich stories.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Dec 29, 2011 10:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Game of Thrones

Throw in necrophilia, pedophilia, bestiality, gang rape and/or forcible sodomy (I think those two were implied if not specifically already mentioned) and graphic descriptions of all of the above. Some parts made me cringe.

Definitely not for a 14 year old - worldly or otherwise - IMO.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Dec 29, 2011 9:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Game of Thrones

My bro gave him the whole series, its length battling Foote's Civil War trilogy! Anyways, bro raves about the series and justifiably so. But the exact themes you mention uj, can't help but be a concern. If he is a writer that can take you far away, a rape scene or one of pedophilia is bad news, especially in lengthy detail. (Shoot, I probably wouldn't read it.) I am on the fence, but I have about a day to decide before he explodes in anticipation. And yes, I have skimmed the series and watched the first TV episode. The ending of which did not comfort me regarding my question.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Dec 29, 2011 10:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Game of Thrones

I happen to love intricate fiction sagas like this (Dune, LOTR) - but this one is notable for length, depth of character development and rich, interwoven story lines. The reader will be engrossed in this world. I don't recall any pedophilia per se, and rape is not in lengthy or violent detail, but instead it's an ever-present threat to any female of age. As the Judge notes, an older reader will be able to discern more readily, and not be titillated by the exposure to this world-view of a variety of different cultures, religions, societies and practices. It's definitely NOT a world where women are empowered, except by magical arts, sex or treachery.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Dec 29, 2011 12:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Wheel of Time????

UJ -

It almost goes without asking, but I'm certain you've read Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time epic? The last book is due out this summer if rumor is true.

Talk about complex interwoven plots, detailed character development, etc. I've re-read the series 4 times - Book 1-6, Book 1-8, Book 1-10 and Book 1-13. Holding off for the final re-read until the last book comes out.

I think I started reading this series in 1992??? Sheesh - 19 years of my life on one series - am I a loser or what?!?!?

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Dec 29, 2011 12:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wheel of Time????

No, I hadn't - thanks for the rec! Between work and other hobbies, I generally don't investigate too many books, maybe 6-10 per year.

14 frickin books! good lord... that should keep me busy till spring...

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Dec 29, 2011 1:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wheel of Time????

Holy Crap!!

If you like LOTR, Dune, Game of Thrones I can guarantee you will really enjoy the Wheel of Time series. It is phenomenal - classic good vs. evil fantasy storyline, but Jordan's detailed writig and the depth of plot and character development is astounding.

You should start now......you have a lot of reading to do!!

Happy New Year.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Dec 29, 2011 10:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Game of Thrones

My oldest is in his 20's and I would not recommend it to him. I asked if he had read them (he's a big Fantasy reader) and he said he put them down because of the sheer volume of storylines to keep track of.

The problem with the sex is that most of the sex is not consensual. And, as usually happens with non-consensual sex, one side tends to enjoy it a lot less than the others. There are also some serious mysognistic undertones running through the stories that may be historically realistic but that may require an older reader to assign them properly to their place.

Just my thoughts,
Judge TOOTMO

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Dec 29, 2011 2:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Game of Thrones

TOOT's, I lost something you gave me. Send/Shoot me a new one please.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Dec 30, 2011 7:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Game of Thrones

I just contacted your cable provider.
TOOTMO